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		<title>Alphabet Soup Revisited:  What Shape Will the Recovery Take?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 06:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Misha</dc:creator>
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Back in the still-uncertain days of September 09, every market pundit had his or her own letter for what shape the recovery would take. I blogged about Ben Bernanke&#8217;s &#8220;U,&#8221; Liz Ann Sonders&#8216; &#8220;V,&#8221; and Nouriel Roubini&#8217;s &#8220;W&#8221; here. Though one could argue the jury is still out, I think it&#8217;s fair to say that [...]]]></description>
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<p>Back in the still-uncertain days of September 09, every market pundit had his or her own letter for what shape the recovery would take. I blogged about <a class="zem_slink" title="Ben Bernanke" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Bernanke">Ben Bernanke</a>&#8217;s &#8220;U,&#8221; <a href="http://www.schwab.com/public/schwab/research_strategies/market_insight/schwab_experts/bios/liz_ann_sonders.html">Liz Ann Sonders</a>&#8216; &#8220;V,&#8221; and <a class="zem_slink" title="Nouriel Roubini" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouriel_Roubini">Nouriel Roubini</a>&#8217;s &#8220;W&#8221; <a href="http://"><a href="http://www.pegasusventures.net/wordpressblog/2009/09/16/alphabet-soup-what-shape-will-the-recovery-take/">here</a>.</a> Though one could argue the jury is still out, I think it&#8217;s fair to say that Liz Ann won round one.  The recovery is looking and feeling like a &#8220;V&#8221;  &#8212; and in fact is falling pretty much within historical patterns. (Full disclosure &#8212; I had my money on Nouriel.)</p>
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<p>I recently spent 20 minutes listening to her most recent <a href="http://event.on24.com/event/20/42/56/rt/1/documents/player_docanchr_1/lobby.html?eventid=204256&amp;sessionid=1&amp;key=A7A3AA559E17B269E5B440C4703DDCE7&amp;eventuserid=35350168">webcast</a>, and it all sounds pretty seensible.  What I like about Sonders in particular is that she&#8217;s basically a contrarian. So many people are betting <span style="text-decoration: underline;">against</span> the stock market&#8217;s phenomenal rise right now &#8212; and in favor of bonds &#8212; that she thinks that the bears are refusing to accept the fact that a solid recovery is in place.  I like the way she puts it in a <a href="http://www.schwab.com/public/schwab/research_strategies/market_insight/todays_market/sonders/sonders_041210.html?cmsid=P-3528782&amp;lvl1=research_strategies&amp;lvl2=market_insight">related article</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Skeptics are often the loudest folks in the room, and the bear case is  often the more &#8220;intellectual&#8221; case, but the market has a tendency to  reward the minority view, not the majority view.</span></p></blockquote>
<p>What&#8217;s all this got to do with San Francisco residential real estate?  One of her points touches on a theme that I&#8217;ve sounded here <a href="http://www.pegasusventures.net/wordpressblog/2010/03/15/is-now-a-good-time-to-buy/">recently</a>. As everyone knows, interest rates are likely to rise as the economy starts to strengthen and the Fed starts turning off the easy credit spigot.   Sonders is not predicting the stratospheric rates that occurred in the early 1980&#8217;s.  Nevertheless, it doesn&#8217;t take much of an increase in rates to have a significant impact 0n the amount of house you can buy.</p>
<p>Say you&#8217;re thinking about borrowing $700,000 on a 30 year fixed rate loan at the current rate of 5.25%.  Your payment would be just under $3,900 a month.  Now say that interest rates increase by just half a percent to 5.75%.  Your monthly payment would increase to just under $4,100 a month.  Maybe a difference of $200 a month doesn&#8217;t sound like that much:  a couple of fancy restaurant dinners would would cost the same.</p>
<p>But look at it this way.  Say that the the maximum you&#8217;ve decided &#8212; or the bank&#8217;s decided &#8212; you can afford to pay each month on your mortgage is $3,900 a month.  Now that half percent increase in rates means that the maximum loan you can qualify for is around $662,000.  That&#8217;s a loss of $38,000 in the amount you can borrow and the amount of house you can buy.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also a heck of a lot of fancy dinners.</p>
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		<title>Alphabet Soup:  What Shape Will the Recovery Take?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Misha</dc:creator>
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On the anniversary of Lehman Brothers’ demise and the near-collapse of global markets, it seems appropriate to take a step back from our little corner of heaven for a wider view.
Given where we were a year ago, the world seems to have heaved a huge, if cautious, sigh of relief.  During the chill days of [...]]]></description>
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<p>On the anniversary of Lehman Brothers’ demise and the near-collapse of global markets, it seems appropriate to take a step back from our little corner of heaven for a wider view.</p>
<p>Given where we were a year ago, the world seems to have heaved a huge, if cautious, sigh of relief.  During the chill days of February, the stock market had lost more than half it’s value.  Now it’s down “only” 35%.</p>
<p>San Francisco home prices have also improved.  In January home prices were down 37% from their all-time highs. By July prices had recovered 11%. In August, however, prices fell back 2%.  That’s a pretty stiff drop. (Click the chart for a big version.)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pegasusventures.net/wordpressblog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/SP-500-vs-SF-Home-Sales.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-477" title="S&amp;P 500 vs SF Home Sales" src="http://www.pegasusventures.net/wordpressblog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/SP-500-vs-SF-Home-Sales.jpg" alt="S&amp;P 500 vs SF Home Sales" width="501" height="362" /></a></p>
<p>A sign of things to come?  Who knows.  Everyone seems to have a different letter of the alphabet – or at least the nether end of it &#8212; to describe <span style="color: #0000ff;"><a href="http://economytodaytomorrow.blogspot.com/2009/06/l-w-u-v-alphabet-soup-of-economic.html">the shape the recovery will take</a>.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090915/ap_on_bi_ge/us_bernanke">Ben Bernanke’s is a long, flat “U”</a></span>: he thinks we’re on the way, but it’s going to be slow going.</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><a href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/32841777">Liz Ann Sonders</a>,</span> Schwab’s chief forecaster and one credited with having seen the train-wreck coming, holds out the possibility of a “V”, in which the economy bounces back like a “coiled spring,” propelled by low inventories and a recovering housing market.  You can dismiss that view as self-serving, but I prefer to give her the benefit of the doubt, especially since she’s been right before. Though I&#8217;m not sure she&#8217;s right this time.</p>
<p>The one that worries me the most, though, is the “W” , otherwise known as the dead-cat bounce or “double-dip” to cat-lovers.  <a href="http://www.rgemonitor.com/component/option,static/inc,bios/Itemid,105/"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Nouriel Roubini</span></a>, no slouch at forecasting himself, <span style="color: #0000ff;"><a href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1250749562&amp;play=1">has recently said</a></span> that there’s a “small probability but rising” that we’ll not only run out of steam but fall back again, victim to enormous deficits and the premature closing of global cash spigots, among a host of other ailments.  To that rosy picture, he adds the specter of stagflation, as unsustainable budget deficits lead ultimately to higher interest rates while the economy remains weak.  Perhaps that’s the “X” scenario.</p>
<p>As for San Francisco, the housing market certainly seems sunnier these days, with volume at decent levels.  But I wouldn’t be surprised to see it turning colder, along with the weather.</p>
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